"The Inconvenient Truth about Same Sex Marriage" (Sermon by Steve Frazee, former pastor, March 2014) Listen starting at 11:33 and 24:20.
Sermon Information (Wayback Machine)
(11:33)“What was the sin that so offended God? Well, liberal theologians will debate with you and they’ll say that it was other things, but a clear and simple rendering of the scriptures show that the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was aggressive and assertive violent homosexual behavior and God sent his judgement upon it. Folks, that is what it is.”
(24:20) "Now we have major newspapers that have labeled us, those who disagree with same-sex marriage, as being official bigots in the United States.”Its Score is Unclear because this church's actively enforced policy is not located on website's primary pages, but embedded in a sermon recorded on March 16, 2014.
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